He's paranoid about NATO. We know that although it's a defensive alliance, he views it as a mortal threat to Russia. And The talk about Ukraine joining NATO could be a perverse incentive to prolonging the war on Putin's behalf. So my view is the administration's taking the right position. Let's talk about this in the future. We'll talk about the conditions. (13:22–13:34)
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