If he believes he's fighting against Ukraine being a member of NATO, that's a motivation for him. He's Putin is paranoid about NATO. We know that although it's a defensive alliance, he views it as a mortal threat to Russia. And the talk about Ukraine joining NATO, I think, as I say, could be a perverse incentive to prolonging the war on Putin's behalf. (13:11–13:14)
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Asserts that Russian President Vladimir Putin views NATO as a significant threat.
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