And. And I will say to you that that applies in a lot of other dynamics in the Congress. But the bottom line is we're not, as Republicans generally, We're not willing to take the bill hostage or the country hostage to get our way, whereas, unfortunately, my friends on the Democrat side are. And so they have the decided advantage. And the dynamic is such that it falls back to the House then, and it creates an absolute war in the House among the Republicans now to try to say, well, what? (16:01–16:10)
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Asserts that Republicans do not use government shutdowns as leverage, unlike Democrats.
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