Gavin Newsom: “We were, many of us were on the CV and end of that talk to…”

“… Clyburn's relationship that night, but the relationship of the Biden campaign and their defiance after that night. They were going to stick in. They demanded loyalty. They tested that theory. We were, many of us were on the CV and end of that talk to talk to us about next chapters and how things began to evolve or devolve from your perspective in terms of the post debate realities. So I think that you make the right point. Right. Biden is to the extent that he was in a cocoon before, and I think he really was.” (08:24–08:37)

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