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Ezra Klein: “Trump and [his supporters] are trying to destroy wind and…”

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In-Studio Discussion with Ezra Klein and Gavin Newsom on 'Abundance' and Democratic Governance

Published March 26, 2025 | Video Starts at 1:12:33

Government has failed to do, as I am, but is also optimistic about what is possible. And that's where that vision between red and blue states really diverges. Trump and [his supporters] are trying to destroy wind and solar. They don't want this vision. They don't want more trade. They don't want more people. Right. It's all scarcity. And that leaves a pretty big opening for the Democratic Party to capture both reform and abundance from them. (1:12:33–1:12:36)

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Asserts that Trump and his supporters are attempting to undermine renewable energy sources like wind and solar.

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