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In-Studio Discussion with Ezra Klein and Gavin Newsom on 'Abundance' and Democratic Governance

Published March 26, 2025 | Video Starts at 1:06:34

But abundance is not just like me banging my fist on the table about how High Speed Rail didn't get finished. It's also motivated in part by a belief that Democrats have developed a dysfunctional relationship with technology and in way the future. And I sort of date this back in my own reading of it to around 2016, when I think the harms of social media became really salient to people. (1:06:34–1:06:39)

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