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Ezra Klein: “They don't want more trade. They don't want more people.”

Featuring: Ezra Klein, Liberal | New York Times Columnist and Podcast Host | National

In-Studio Discussion with Ezra Klein and Gavin Newsom on 'Abundance' and Democratic Governance

Published March 26, 2025 | Video Starts at 1:12:36

And that's where that vision between red and blue states really diverges. Trump and them, they're trying to destroy wind and solar. They don't want this vision. They don't want more trade. They don't want more people. Right. It's all scarcity. And that leaves a pretty big opening for the Democratic Party to capture both reform and abundance from them. I love that. (1:12:36–1:12:39)

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