You both said that Congress spends too much. Jeff, what specific programs would you cut or eliminate, and how much would that save? You're right. I think it's 35 trillion now, though, Ernest. I'm not sure what. I think that's what. It's 30. Okay. And you're right. This is a disgrace. And this is actually a bipartisan disgrace. (38:47–38:50)
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