Derrick Van Orden: “If you have a 45% recidivism rate, that's the wrong term…”

“Other occupations, such as social work, for example, might be more comprehensive in the clinical sense, but less focused on the occupational sense. Ms. Devlin, I would posit that If you have a 45% recidivism rate, that's the wrong term, because they're not going to jail. But if 45% of our veterans are returning, I would say that maybe we're not getting the money or the bang for the buck with a master's degree. So if someone is if they're missing the mark 45% of the time. So what we're trying to do, if you need an additional 400 folks, you know that's gonna be really hard to produce these people.” (12:55–13:07)

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