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Tulsi Gabbard: “Things so often end up far worse for the people in these…”

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Tulsi Gabbard and Stephen Kinzer Discuss U.S. Foreign Policy and the Cost of War

Published January 10, 2023 | Video Starts at 15:33

These dictators, authoritarian leaders, these regime change wars are waged under this guise of good heartedness and humanitarianism. But when you actually look at the results, look at the consequences, Things so often end up far worse for the people in these countries than they were before. What to speak of the fact. I mean, you use the word fantasy, that's really what it is. And I first learned about you through your book Overthrow. (15:33–15:46)

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Asserts that the outcomes of regime change wars often worsen conditions for local populations.

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“One of the main reasons that I ran was because I saw the writing on the wall about the dangers of entering into a new Cold war where that…”
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“Diplomatic talks between the United States and Russia and the US and China are basically nonexistent at this point.”
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“These sanctions are never lifted once they are put in place.”
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“There is always a blank check coming from Congress [for] spending our American taxpayer dollars to wage new wars, a new cold war, a nuclear…”
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“They tell people back here at home, people who are struggling for clean water or for safe communities or securing our borders, just saying…”
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“You never hear them actually talk about and tell the American people what is the cost of war in the form of cost in human lives, the form of…”
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“The United States [is] interfering in other people's elections.”
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“We look to where we are today with this proxy war with Russia and people really across the spectrum saying, yeah, we are at a greater risk…”
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“There seem to be more Republicans now willing to take that position and say, hey, yeah, let's have a realistic view, let's exercise…”
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“Voices that we would expect from the Democratic Party to be those voices for peace, to be those voices for diplomacy, as we've seen very…”
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“When this group of the so called Progressive Caucus stood up and said, hey, President Biden, pursue diplomacy to bring about an end to the…”
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“Regime change wars are waged under this guise of good heartedness and humanitarianism.”
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“They're lying to the American people when they're saying like, oh, we got to go save these people from this evil, evil person.”
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“The United States also has a very active role in choosing who replaces [leaders they deem unacceptable].”
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“There's a pretty heavy hand of the US Government to pick or tilt the scales...on who those people are.”
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“We have [sanctions] in place in far more places than people realize.”
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“Interventionist foreign policy works against our country's interests and national security interests.”
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“Hillary Clinton and others advocating for a world's police policy have undermined our national security interests.”
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“The prevailing foreign policy establishment in Washington sees competition as a zero sum outcome.”
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“Sanctions have a negative effect both directly and indirectly on the civilians in these countries that are being sanctioned.”
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“These massive sanctions regimes that are intended to try to make, you know, these leaders and oligarchs and people in Russia suffer. Well…”
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“I still serve in the army reserves almost 20 years.”
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“The foreign policy establishment that's been in charge for so long has done a great disservice to this country.”
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“The nation building mission that our military has been used for for so long has been proven to be a failure.”
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“Oftentimes the only lines of communication where diplomacy can actually happen are the relationships between military leaders from the…”
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“The diplomats in charge of the State Department are too often the ones who are egging on and encouraging waging of war, whether it be…”
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“There is more done to manipulate voters and limit their access to fair information so they can draw their own conclusions by our corporate…”
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“The politicians and the foreign policy establishment in Washington is disconnected from the sentiment of the American people, who largely…”
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“Most people had no concept of how much of our taxpayer dollars were going towards this war.”
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“We were waging war in Afghanistan for over 20 years.”
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“There was no clear objective [in the Afghanistan war].”
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“The Cost of War project at Brown has done a great job in really looking at what that cost has been.”
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“I introduced an amendment to the National Defense Authorization act as well as a separate standalone bill that very simply required an…”
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“My legislation just said we need to get periodic reports to Congress on what the consequences of these sanctions are.”
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“I was surprised that I was able to get this legislation passed in the defense bill through the House.”
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“Somehow it got stripped out in the dark of night with no explanation whatsoever before the final bill came forward.”
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“The dual use clause really ends up impacting [civilians].”
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“We have these politicians completely focused on how do we cause great harm to others.”
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“We see how [sanctions have] a direct negative effect on the American people themselves.”
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“We cannot achieve prosperity and uphold freedom without peace.”
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“We should be developing relationships with other countries to find those areas of mutual interest to increase mutual prosperity.”
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“Most Americans are sick and tired of these constant regime change, wars, these constant interventions.”
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“The spending of trillions of our taxpayer dollars on wars that actually undermine our national security.”
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“Trillions of our taxpayer dollars [are] sent overseas.”
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“We shouldn't be the policeman of the world.”
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“We have the opportunity as a country to exercise real leadership by demonstrating how we can find those areas of mutual interest and mutual…”
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