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Tulsi Gabbard: “The dual use clause really ends up impacting [civilians].”

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Tulsi Gabbard and Stephen Kinzer Discuss U.S. Foreign Policy and the Cost of War

Published January 10, 2023 | Video Starts at 1:05:27

… both directly and indirectly on the civilians in these countries that are being sanctioned, the excuse that's always given is exactly that. Well, we're only sanctioning military equipment when that The dual use clause really ends up impacting [civilians]. You know, your story is a powerful one. I've heard others that have to do with medicine and medical equipment and other things that really, that really are essential and end up causing great harm, if not death. (1:05:27–1:05:36)

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Asserts that the dual-use clause in sanctions affects civilians.

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“Things so often end up far worse for the people in these countries than they were before.”
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“They're lying to the American people when they're saying like, oh, we got to go save these people from this evil, evil person.”
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“Interventionist foreign policy works against our country's interests and national security interests.”
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