Too often it is just, well, we just have to make them suffer and think that that is somehow going to solve a problem. When, in fact, as we're seeing now, again with this proxy war with Russia, These massive sanctions regimes that are intended to try to make, you know, these leaders and oligarchs and people in Russia suffer. Well, you're actually making the American people suffer and endure hardship in the process. So what. What is this actually all for? You mentioned Afghanistan. I think the real reason that for 20 years, we were never able to accomplish our goals there is that we never figured out what our goals were. (36:37–36:53)
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