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Mark Pocan: “There may be no agency less revered under the Trump…”

Featuring: Mark Pocan, Democratic | U.S. House, Wisconsin, District 2

With Liberty & Justice for Some Ep. 66 – Blowing the Whistle on ICE with Ryan Schwank

Published May 13, 2026 | Video Starts at 02:37

Right. Size of court, etc. No reason why we can't do it now. Norm, thanks so much for being with us. I really appreciate it. Sure. Absolutely. Anytime. There may be no agency less revered under the Trump administration than ICE, the Immigration and Customs Enforcement Agency. Its abuse by the Trump administration has been widely covered, as has its practices that have killed several American citizens. (02:37–02:46)

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“Its [ICE's] abuse by the Trump administration has been widely covered, as has its practices that have killed several American citizens.”
With Liberty & Justice for Some Ep. 66 – Blowing the Whistle on ICE with Ryan Schwank | Uploaded May 13, 2026 | 02:45-02:53
“ICE leadership cut roughly 240 hours, or about 40% of the training, including key instruction on constitutional rights, use of force, and…”
With Liberty & Justice for Some Ep. 66 – Blowing the Whistle on ICE with Ryan Schwank | Uploaded May 13, 2026 | 07:20-07:32
“You were specifically ordered to instruct cadets to violate the Constitution, specifically by entering homes without a judicial warrant, Is…”
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“A specific class in the curriculum where we talk about the oath and constitutional duties was cut from the program.”
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“And you were also told not to tell them to not to document or discuss the secret policy memo authorizing these practices, Right?”
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“A law enforcement officer for the United States government... isn't being told what [their constitutional duties] means.”
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“They were going to put more ICE agents out into the field doing what you said. Like, they haven't really. They weren't really originally…”
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“ICE's purpose has been to supposedly round up criminals, which I assume we also know isn't true anymore.”
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“And then you testified to Congress saying that you were, you're, quote, I think, duty bound to report what you saw.”
With Liberty & Justice for Some Ep. 66 – Blowing the Whistle on ICE with Ryan Schwank | Uploaded May 13, 2026 | 12:49-12:55
“We get calls from constituents who've been caught into all this, who were not criminals, and we're not the worst of the worst.”
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“I visited a few of the facilities in Texas, specifically one of the children's facilities when they were being detained under Trump…”
With Liberty & Justice for Some Ep. 66 – Blowing the Whistle on ICE with Ryan Schwank | Uploaded May 13, 2026 | 26:00-26:11
“Much of this has been, I think, to kind of shift the excuse of what happened, rather than the fact that these are orders from the very top.”
With Liberty & Justice for Some Ep. 66 – Blowing the Whistle on ICE with Ryan Schwank | Uploaded May 13, 2026 | 27:57-28:07
“We also don't have a functioning Department of Justice.”
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“Department of Homeland Security, we just funded everything but essentially [ICE].”
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“They already have the funding for the big beautiful bill.”
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“Most [cadets] weren't even aware that they had taken [the oath].”
With Liberty & Justice for Some Ep. 66 – Blowing the Whistle on ICE with Ryan Schwank | Uploaded May 13, 2026 | 29:27-29:29
“Some of us just... honestly question whether it's even possible under this administration.”
With Liberty & Justice for Some Ep. 66 – Blowing the Whistle on ICE with Ryan Schwank | Uploaded May 13, 2026 | 32:05-32:10
“I think we've lost public trust in too many areas.”
With Liberty & Justice for Some Ep. 66 – Blowing the Whistle on ICE with Ryan Schwank | Uploaded May 13, 2026 | 32:13-32:17
“I do get a lot of people who are concerned about ICE in my district and across the country.”
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