Mark Pocan: “Much of this has been, I think, to kind of shift the excuse…”

“Yeah. Right. And that's kind of what they did with Bovito. Yeah. And then also Kristi Noem, I think after that didn't, you know, again, Much of this has been, I think, to kind of shift the excuse of what happened, rather than the fact that these are orders from the very top. not just from a couple people who might have been in the chain of command going down. Absolutely, absolutely. And here's something.” (27:57–28:07)

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