Those hostages had become a liability. And I think as we became successful in them appreciating that, that was the inflection point that led to the deal. And I think the same thing is going to happen at some point in Russia, Ukraine, that both sides will get to a place where they understand that solving that conflict kinetically is bad for them long term. either of them, that it should be solved diplomatically, and then they can both grow their countries. So as you're sitting at that table, you're trying to get something that they both agree on and you're trying to take the conversation. (29:28–29:42)
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Predicts that Russia and Ukraine will eventually see kinetic conflict as detrimental and seek diplomatic solutions.
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