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Ron Johnson: “Obama would be 6.2 [trillion], Trump's 2019, 6.5 [trillion].”

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Senator Ron Johnson Discusses Fiscal Responsibility and Budget Reconciliation Challenges

Published May 25, 2025 | Video Starts at 17:03

You know, my pre pandemic levels of spending. Clinton, if you use that process, go from 1.7 to 5.5 trillion. That's how you plus up there, that's been Obama would be 6.2 [trillion], Trump's 2019, 6.5 [trillion]. So now you've got a baseline budget. You've always heard these Republican members of Congress running for office saying we're going to go to zero based budgeting. (17:03–17:05)

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Asserts that using a specific process, spending under Obama would be 6.2 trillion and under Trump 6.5 trillion.

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“A dollar you held in 1998 is worth 51 cents [today].”
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“We spent something like 5 or 6 trillion dollars globally on climate change...we haven't bent the needle.”
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“In 1930, the federal government spent about 3.5% of our GDP.”
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“Now we're spending close to 24% [of GDP] at the federal level.”
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“Our forefathers... entered World War II spending about 11.7%, ramped it up to 41% during the war.”
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“The first goal of this Republican budget reconciliation should be don't add to the deficit.”
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“The first goal of this Republican budget reconciliation should be don't add to the deficit.”
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“President [Biden] is determined to not keep funding the deep state at buying levels, return to a reasonable pre-pandemic level.”
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“You don't defeat the deep state by continuing to fund it at Biden's levels.”
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“I don't think President Trump, he's not focused on reducing spending.”
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“I can't be pressured by President Trump.”
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“Obamacare is now called Medicaid expansion.”
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“Other mandatory hit well over $2 trillion during COVID.”
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“Last fiscal year was about $1.3 trillion. This year will be over a trillion.”
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“We don't have a balanced budget requirement like states do.”
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“The appropriation committees were literally set up because the authorized committees were big spenders.”
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“Simpson Bowles didn't work. The Budget Control act didn't work.”
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“The 10-year deficit projected by CBO is $22 trillion, averaging $2.2 trillion a year.”
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“The CBO projection I'm looking at assumes we're going to gain another $4 trillion from increasing taxes.”
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“Going from 37 to $59 trillion in debt is a rosy scenario.”
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“They've just transferred [federal spending] into mandatory spending.”
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“The answer was something like $6.3 trillion because we had gone from 4.4 trillion in 2019 up to 6.5.”
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“We're down here about 3, somewhere around 3% [interest rate on government debt].”
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“Clinton, if you use that process, go from 1.7 to 5.5 trillion.”
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“We did not simplify the tax code in 2017.”
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“I think it's insane that we've been shutting down coal fired electrical generation.”
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“Congress was oblivious and ignorant of all this waste, fraud, and abuse.”
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“We also have to focus on economic growth through the private sector, not fueled by government deficit spending.”
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