Is there the list that's out there? Oh, I would love to. Even with Bobby Kennedy, head of hhs, promising and wanting to create radical transparency. The problem is It's very difficult to control these agencies. And if there actually was a blacklist, you think they'd give that up? To me, the people protect that. But again, when you hear that that exists, doesn't surprise anybody, right? (21:13–21:17)
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