Mark Pocan: “They already had everyone who said they'd never vote to lift…”

“So flat funding, essentially. And I think that there is a, a chance, a good chance that that could pass through the House because they can clearly, They already had everyone who said they'd never vote to lift the debt ceiling vote to increase it by $4 trillion last week. I think they can get the votes lined up, and I think enough folks in the Senate might go along just to not have the shutdown.” (24:54–25:01)

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