And for a long time, we were making public policy that way. And I think that's the bigger challenge. China is a product of that. It is. The Chinese leaders have done exactly what any rational leader of a nation state seeking to become a great power would do. They took advantage of all the benefits and none of the obligations of everything that we let them into. And they'll continue to do it as long as we let them do it. (17:39–17:48)
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Asserts that Chinese leaders have acted rationally in their pursuit of becoming a great power.
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