Oh, it's hard work. I mean that's the bottom line. It's very difficult, especially, you know, when you have split government to actually get things done. And we, and what I'm. One of the things I'm very most frustrated about in Madison is it's not just that it's hard. And you know, those conversations are difficult. We're not even having the conversations. And that's problem the fact that people aren't even talking to each other. I mean that is, you know, one of the number one rules of, of being a leader is do what you say you're going to do. (06:41–06:51)
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Asserts that in Madison, conversations necessary for governance are not happening.
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