They're probably 3.5 to $4.5 trillion because we're not expensing those liabilities. And there has been more studies done that have shown that within by 2021, 2022, it overwhelms and crushes everything. … Interest payments, just interest costs on our debt is 454 last year. … billion, the largest. And by the way, at defense, not to say that we shouldn't still look at cuts, but defense is as small a percentage of spending as our … (48:56–49:05)
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