I think its leadership is terrible, horrible. I think they would lose an election tomorrow. And I think you know that. But that's not the point. The point is It was bad for the United States to push Ukraine to join NATO. That was my number one point. And when the vice president, United States, Kamala Harris, went to the Munich security conference in February of 2022 and said on camera at a press conference to Zelenskyy, we want you in NATO. (38:52–38:59)
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Asserts that the U.S. policy of encouraging Ukraine to join NATO was detrimental.
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