Stephen Miller: “We are limited by the penalties applied [to fraudsters].”

“I want to pick up because this is something that I've encountered on a daily basis on a theme that both the Vice President and Andrew Ferguson have mentioned, which is the lack of criminal responsibility, the lack of criminal … We are limited by the penalties applied [to fraudsters]. … a bureaucrat had the courage to defy that agency guidance and actually bring you to trial and put you in front of a jury, you'd be unlikely to do any real jail time at all.” (14:41–15:01)

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