… that there would be systemic, widespread, continual lying, fleecing and organized crime to rip off hundreds of billions of dollars from the American taxpayer, which is what has happened. So There needs to be strict, clear, mandatory minimums [for fraud convictions]. Because by the time you've been convicted, you have already proven to a jury this is not a civil punishment. (44:23–44:29)
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Advocates for mandatory minimum sentences for fraud convictions.
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