And you can argue statistics, but I take a look at statistics and I say it has no measurable effect. You could actually argue that it's made matters worse. Sometimes murder rates are up. But I don't want to get into statistics. We are talking about basic freedoms in the Constitution, Second Amendment. And I just, I'm a strong defender and believer in that Constitution. (07:43–07:46)
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