And the fact of the matter is nothing really does occur here in Washington without strong presidential leadership. And this President Obama has not led on the whole debt and deficit issue. He says he's for the grand bargain. But Betty, do you, do you have a clue what the grand bargain is? I know it sounds, I know it sounds grand. (00:54–00:58)
CLAIM
Asserts that President Obama has not shown leadership on debt and deficit issues.
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