Ron Johnson: “Massive fraud, 20 to 30 billion dollars a year fraud.”

“So again, by the way, the subsidies aren't going away. You've got about 24 million people supposedly on these changes. Six million of those are probably phantom accounts because of the zero premium policies. Massive fraud, 20 to 30 billion dollars a year fraud. So the people. So let's say you've got 6 million of the 24 million phantom. So you got 18 million people on the exchange. More than 16 million.” (06:11–06:15)

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