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Ron Johnson: “If current law is that there can be no expense to government…”

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Chairman Johnson remarks at HSGAC VII border security hearing

Published July 7, 2015 | Video Starts at 19:35

But then you're talking about we're doing requests for quotation on legal services. I mean, can you square that for me? I mean, I don't. If current law is that there can be no expense to government and yet we are issuing grants for people to provide legal representation. Just how does that, I mean, how do you, I guess, get around the law, which is basically what's happening, correct? (19:35–19:43)

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Questions the legality of government grants for legal representation despite laws against government expense.

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“The numbers [of unaccompanied children referred to HHS's program] increased from 2012 through 2014, from 13,625 in fiscal year 2012 to…”
Chairman Johnson remarks at HSGAC VII border security hearing | Uploaded July 7, 2015 | 01:25-01:25
“Since 2009, from El Salvador, Guatemala and Honduras, there have been over 100,000, 109,000 unaccompanied children coming to this country.”
Chairman Johnson remarks at HSGAC VII border security hearing | Uploaded July 7, 2015 | 07:05-07:15
“In 2009, we returned about 30%. 2010, we returned about 22%. 2011, we returned about 24%. 2012, 12%. 2013, 6.2%. 2014, 2.7%. And as of 2015…”
Chairman Johnson remarks at HSGAC VII border security hearing | Uploaded July 7, 2015 | 07:18-07:39
“According to a ICE data provided to Sanders, Grassley and Flake from fiscal year 2010 through fiscal year 2014, 121 criminal aliens were…”
Chairman Johnson remarks at HSGAC VII border security hearing | Uploaded July 7, 2015 | 10:01-10:15
“By the following year, the number of people coming in illegally from Brazil dropped from 31,063 to 1,460.”
Chairman Johnson remarks at HSGAC VII border security hearing | Uploaded July 7, 2015 | 24:50-25:00
“The flow [of unaccompanied children across the border] has been reduced, but I would still say it's at almost humanitarian crisis levels.”
Chairman Johnson remarks at HSGAC VII border security hearing | Uploaded July 7, 2015 | 00:26-00:34
“Mr. Greenberg, does HHS check the status, the immigration status, the legal status of sponsors of unaccompanied children that they turn…”
Chairman Johnson remarks at HSGAC VII border security hearing | Uploaded July 7, 2015 | 00:44-17:25
“Deferred action on Childhood Arrivals was the primary cause for this surge [in unaccompanied children].”
Chairman Johnson remarks at HSGAC VII border security hearing | Uploaded July 7, 2015 | 02:19-02:31
“We have three different departments with five different component agencies dealing with this [issue of unaccompanied children].”
Chairman Johnson remarks at HSGAC VII border security hearing | Uploaded July 7, 2015 | 03:51-03:58
“I don't believe we're really truly enforcing the laws the way they were meant to.”
Chairman Johnson remarks at HSGAC VII border security hearing | Uploaded July 7, 2015 | 04:17-04:23
“We've returned about 5.7%, about 6,248 unaccompanied children.”
Chairman Johnson remarks at HSGAC VII border security hearing | Uploaded July 7, 2015 | 07:48-07:54
“We've had 109,000 come to this country illegally.”
Chairman Johnson remarks at HSGAC VII border security hearing | Uploaded July 7, 2015 | 07:53-07:58
“There are currently, I think in your testimony, you said about 6,800 final orders of removal that have been issued.”
Chairman Johnson remarks at HSGAC VII border security hearing | Uploaded July 7, 2015 | 08:25-08:32
“So far in fiscal year 2015, we've removed 569.”
Chairman Johnson remarks at HSGAC VII border security hearing | Uploaded July 7, 2015 | 08:40-08:44
“On Sunday we learned that 32 year old Catherine Steinle was killed in San Francisco by an illegal immigrant who had seven prior felony…”
Chairman Johnson remarks at HSGAC VII border security hearing | Uploaded July 7, 2015 | 09:52-10:00
“We've returned a little over 6,000 [unaccompanied children], which is about a 5.7% rate.”
Chairman Johnson remarks at HSGAC VII border security hearing | Uploaded July 7, 2015 | 15:05-15:05
“The reality of the situation is that if you get into America, you've got a very low percentage chance, very low probability of being…”
Chairman Johnson remarks at HSGAC VII border security hearing | Uploaded July 7, 2015 | 15:25-15:34
“Simple yes or no answer. Do you turn unaccompanied children over to illegal immigrant parents?”
Chairman Johnson remarks at HSGAC VII border security hearing | Uploaded July 7, 2015 | 18:02-18:07
“Do you then notify either ICE or DHS about that fact?”
Chairman Johnson remarks at HSGAC VII border security hearing | Uploaded July 7, 2015 | 18:14-18:18
“Do you tell DHS or ICE that you have just placed a child with somebody that you know is in this country illegally?”
Chairman Johnson remarks at HSGAC VII border security hearing | Uploaded July 7, 2015 | 18:46-18:54
“In your testimony you do state that children have the privilege of representation, but at no expense to the government.”
Chairman Johnson remarks at HSGAC VII border security hearing | Uploaded July 7, 2015 | 19:17-19:27
“So there's a conflict in the law is what you're saying.”
Chairman Johnson remarks at HSGAC VII border security hearing | Uploaded July 7, 2015 | 19:57-20:00
“You're also granting money for legal or certainly asking for requests and paying for legal representation, are you not?”
Chairman Johnson remarks at HSGAC VII border security hearing | Uploaded July 7, 2015 | 20:23-20:31
“It sounds like a real conflict in the law that we ought to correct.”
Chairman Johnson remarks at HSGAC VII border security hearing | Uploaded July 7, 2015 | 20:53-20:56
“The law is clear in two different, in a conflicting manner. On the one hand, at no expense the government, and then it's clear from we…”
Chairman Johnson remarks at HSGAC VII border security hearing | Uploaded July 7, 2015 | 21:09-21:18
“A very low percentage of those 60, very low percentage.”
Chairman Johnson remarks at HSGAC VII border security hearing | Uploaded July 7, 2015 | 21:57-22:02
“A very low percentage of these UACs obtaining any kind of asylum.”
Chairman Johnson remarks at HSGAC VII border security hearing | Uploaded July 7, 2015 | 22:44-22:53
“In 2005, DHS Secretary Chertoff employed Operation Texas Hold'em, where they prioritize existing space, dedicated bed space, and began…”
Chairman Johnson remarks at HSGAC VII border security hearing | Uploaded July 7, 2015 | 24:34-24:51
“We're not going to do comprehensive reform, not in the next 18 months, even by Secretary Johnson's mission.”
Chairman Johnson remarks at HSGAC VII border security hearing | Uploaded July 7, 2015 | 26:07-26:14
“We're not even going to have situational awareness of the border in the next 18 months.”
Chairman Johnson remarks at HSGAC VII border security hearing | Uploaded July 7, 2015 | 26:13-26:19