What we need to get to is the end result that I should not exist as it exists, and DHS should not exist as it exists. Like, there's no reason for DHS to exist. Immigration is a civilization enforcement matter. It is not criminal. And that's what people keep not understanding. It is a civil enforcement matter. It used to be done out of the Department of Justice as a civil matter. (45:30–45:37)
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Asserts that immigration should be treated as a civil matter, not a criminal one.
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