I think realism is an important part of the conversation that hasn't existed enough inside conversations amongst friends. But simply pointing out realism, like The borders won't be rolled back to what everybody would like them to be in 2014. is not a concession to Vladimir Putin. It's a recognition of hard power realities on the ground after a lot of investment and sacrifice, first by the Ukrainians and then … (13:10–13:15)
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Asserts that borders will not revert to their 2014 status.
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