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Michael Gableman: “There was not a fifth person.”

Featuring: Michael Gableman, Republican | Former Justice, Wisconsin Supreme Court

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Published June 23, 2022 | Video Starts at 41:31

… the trip to Arizona was five people for four days and four people for one day. Again, do you have any recollection of who the fifth person might have been? There was not a fifth person. Okay, so was this statement incorrect? Yes. Were there any other independent investigators besides Mr. Sandvik and Paige in the July, August of 2021 time frame? Not that I know of. (41:31–41:33)

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“I don't believe [I had office space in Brookfield Square in July], no.”
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“No [I have not produced those notes].”
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“No [I do not still have those notes].”
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“I would have told [the speaker] I was researching and trying to become more familiar with the laws and more familiar with the issues…”
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“There were also computers at the New Berlin Public Library. I believe that's referenced in the affidavit, too.”
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“Because I had no office, no money, and no computer equipment. I was working at the New Berlin Public Library.”
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“Everything that I did on a. On that wasn't on my phone, I had to do at the library during July and August.”
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“I went out there because I thought there was going to be some solid evidence of Chinese interference with the machines, and I was very…”
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“I think Arizona was the 4th through the 8th of August, and then the next week was South Dakota.”
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“I had a 10 by 10 room, I believe, starting in August.”
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“I had a 10 by 10 room.”
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“It was six months, and I think it was up in January. We had moved by then. In October.”
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“No, it wasn't possible [to retrieve any data from July and August of 2021].”
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“I had no tech support [to recover deleted emails].”
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“I've asked for records for the time period, July and August. So did I say to them specifically, including our time in Arizona? I did not.”
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“I learned a lot of things down there that just weren't applicable to Wisconsin.”
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“I said from the beginning I wanted to make everything public that we relied on in making the report.”
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“If it wasn't going to be useful to the report, and if there was no open records requests on point, then I could discard it.”
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“By reviewing the statutes.”
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“If there was no open records request and if it wasn't going to be useful to my report, then I would probably delete it.”
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“I asked them if they had any and they said no.”
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“There were two investigators that were hired before I got there.”
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“Probably, yes.”
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“I did not have a very sophisticated or intricate understanding [of election machines].”
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“Mr. Kloster was not paid for his time in August of 2021.”
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“If it was responsive to the request, we would have provided it.”
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“I drive right from South Dakota to the emergency room at Prater Urgent Care in New Berlin, where I get eventually diagnosed with COVID.”
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“The Proton email account was not one that [Michael Gableman] was actually using in July and August of 2021.”
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“No, the account was deleted.”
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“Nobody knows, aside from those within your office, who that person [the classified employee] is.”
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“I do not [have any training in recovery of deleted emails or documents].”
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“I was focused on the five. The five that got the 8 million out of 10 million, I think.”
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“I believed it was deleted, but I. Do I have a certificate from Yahoo? No.”
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“I believe it was attorney Kloster.”
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