Mark Pocan: “Russ Vogt was the lead architect pretty much of Project…”

“I think Stephen Miller, especially on domestic policy around ICE and Homeland Security and all that, I think has been very, very influential. The other person, like, your perspective is Russ Vogt was the lead architect pretty much of Project 2025. We've been told, like, 65% of that got done in the first year. He may be more of a behind the scenes guy, but I think, you know your perspective on Russ Vote and what he's been doing and what he is doing.” (14:49–14:54)

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