I just think that, like, you could say Putin's not a great guy and that there's things there that have happened that are obviously undemocratic. My concern is, like, this country, we're. Not contractually obliged either. Ukraine's not a NATO member nation. Right. They're not even in NATO. Right. We don't have to defend Ukraine. Right. So there's no. No reason. Right. But yet somehow, it's the most important thing that we've got to get involved in. (49:13–49:16)
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