You'll have a Democratic president, Democratic Congress, how should they balance structural reforms, trying to restore faith in institutions and government and addressing the day to day quality of life issues that most voters care the most about. Yeah, I mean, look, I have always been a reformer and I think reform is possible without chaos. I think Donald Trump sometimes suggests that the chaos he brings forward is what you need in order to bring about change. I don't think it works that way. (48:41–48:47)
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Asserts that he is a reformer and believes reform can occur without chaos.
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