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John Phelan: “The military, thank God, is one of the most Mericratic…”

Featuring: John Phelan, Secretary of the Navy | National

Fireside Chat with John C. Phelan

Published July 15, 2026 | Video Starts at 20:54

It shouldn't be, I kind of like that guy, or I don't like that guy, or I like that woman, or I don't like that woman. The military, thank God, is one of the most Mericratic organizations I've seen. And I think we just need to maintain that fair. I want to ask Anya's question or I'm so fired. (20:54–21:01)

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Asserts that the military is highly meritocratic.

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“China today builds over 1700 ships a year. We build about five. They're all military ships.”
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“At the start of the century, we had twice as many warships as China. China passed us in 2021.”
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“About 30% of our civilian bureaucracy is ex Navy.”
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“We have one company that builds aircraft carriers. We have two companies that build submarines. We've one that builds destroyers.”
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“We have hollowed out manufacturing in America. We make very few things in this country.”
Fireside Chat with John C. Phelan | Uploaded July 15, 2026 | 04:57-05:04
“We were the dominant shipbuilding country for a long time.”
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“We won [World War II] because we overwhelmed them with numbers.”
Fireside Chat with John C. Phelan | Uploaded July 15, 2026 | 05:26-05:33
“Germany and Japan had much better technology, better tanks, better missiles, better submarines, better planes [during World War II].”
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“When Covid hit, a number of workers left [the shipbuilding industry].”
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“You now make more money working at a Buc EE's than you would welding all day.”
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“Korea has adopted more modern technology and robotics in particular [in shipbuilding].”
Fireside Chat with John C. Phelan | Uploaded July 15, 2026 | 06:09-06:14
“Every ship [China builds] is dual use. It can be converted to military very quickly or not, and stay commercial.”
Fireside Chat with John C. Phelan | Uploaded July 15, 2026 | 08:57-09:05
“We started to pay fair wages at the shipyards. We were way too under waged.”
Fireside Chat with John C. Phelan | Uploaded July 15, 2026 | 09:59-10:04
“We should also pass the Ships for America act, which would also be very powerful for as a signal to the maritime industrial base.”
Fireside Chat with John C. Phelan | Uploaded July 15, 2026 | 10:21-10:29
“I canceled [the Constellation program], which was a frigate that was based on an Italian design.”
Fireside Chat with John C. Phelan | Uploaded July 15, 2026 | 11:00-11:06
“We need some more new shipyards. We need more labor. We need to train people better.”
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“In terms of number of ships, we need a lot more.”
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“We don't have digital twins on a lot of our designs.”
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“When we consolidated the defense industry into five, there's no incentive to innovate or mess that up.”
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“We very early on stood up a thing called the Rapid Autonomous Group, ras or Rapid Autonomous Systems.”
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“I took one of our promising admirals, promoted her and put her in charge of [the Rapid Autonomous Group].”
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“I had rewritten a number of our precepts in order to try to get those promotions.”
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“If we're at war and Admiral Paparo tells you he needs [the new frigate] tomorrow, we could get it down to probably two years in design and…”
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“We have bureaucracy after bureaucracy on top of this stuff, and it's turf defending as opposed to getting out there.”
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“We need to prevent a war, and by preventing a war, we need to get shipbuilding back up.”
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“We need to be able to sustain [shipbuilding].”
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