You know, it is I, the two, the two that I am on the panel with are much more steeped in foreign policy than a governor is. But, you know, I do think that Ukraine's independence, keeping their landmass and having the support of all the allies, I think is, is the goal. from my vantage point. Go ahead, Ambassador, do a better job. I want to follow the order of protocol here. Well, of course, there's no conversation about Ukraine that can happen without Ukraine. (33:35–33:46)
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Asserts that the goal for Ukraine is to maintain independence, territorial integrity, and allied support.
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