Gavin Newsom: “Cruelty and chaos is the policy.”

“Because Trump's never going to speak with, he's never going to allow MAGA Mike to even speak with Democrats. It's not about the pressure. Trump likes the suffering. Like he doesn't care that people are in pain. Cruelty and chaos is the policy. Exactly. The one thing all these things haven't come quite objectively. Yeah. Like I don't think that would offend him. The cold bloodedness of Stephen Miller as the implementer in all this.” (1:02:40–1:02:43)

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