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Ezra Klein: “But we are that divided, actually.”

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Published December 10, 2025 | Video Starts at 1:44:22

Right. You can feel the power in it that we're not red and blue. We're not as divided as the spin meisters think. So I love it. But we are that divided, actually. But one thing I see you playing with again, between the podcast and the social media, between sitting down with Kirk and Bannon and trolling Trump and Vivid advance, is a sort of a both and politics. (1:44:22–1:44:25)

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