No, there's no winners here. This is a loser. This is a loser. And I dealt with him from the beginning. It wouldn't have happened, but I will say it was. Ukraine was the apple of his eye. We talk about it. It was the apple of his eye, but it wasn't going to happen. And he understood that it wasn't going to happen. (29:02–29:05)
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Asserts that [Putin] had a strong interest in Ukraine.
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