Derrick Van Orden: “That's a social program. It's not socialism. Huge…”

“And when we were younger, as I'm saying, abject rural poverty, there was a time when we needed assistance, and we were on government assistance for a period of time. And I get that, you know, That's a social program. It's not socialism. Huge difference. But. So we wound up moving to Oregon when my mother got promoted, and I went out with a friend of mine one night and honestly decided to join the Navy on a lark initially.” (04:46–04:51)

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