Derrick Van Orden: “45% of our veterans are returning [to the program].”

“Well, Ms. Devlin, I would posit that if you have a 45% recidivism rate, that's the wrong term because you're not going to jail. But if 45% of our veterans are returning [to the program]. I would say that maybe we're not getting the money or the bang for the buck with a master's degree. So if someone is, if they're missing the mark 45% of the time.” (05:23–05:26)

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